Monday, June 9, 2008

Still on my fair tax background homework...

If you haven't kept up I'm in a healthy debate on the Fair Tax in the comments section. Its giving me a chance to learn more about it and speak better to my views as they adapt to what i'm finding out... there are many different sales tax plans but there are similarities and i'm sure there are some readers who might be able to articulate them better than I can. But I'm posting this as well... to save others time if they care to venture into these area of economics.

Like I always say... do your homework... challenge presumptions, data, and findings of others--empower yourself to speak on issues that impact you life.

Anyhoo... here is something else to churn in the gears o'my brain.

Tax Follies At TNR
Robert S. McIntyre | September 18, 2005



You have to wonder. Half to three-quarters of the American public doesn't believe in evolution (depending on how you define it). One out of three Americans thinks the budget deficit can be eliminated (a) by hoping (or praying) that it goes away (8 percent) or (b) by cutting taxes even more (25 percent). Anti-scientific, un-arithmetic thinking seems to be rampant. But has The New Republic gone over to the dark side, too?
In August, a TNR cover story promoted the wacky idea that we should scrap all of the federal government's progressive taxes in favor of a national sales tax. Such an enormous shift in the tax burden away from the rich and onto the poor and the middle class is the linchpin of what authors Larry Kotlikoff and Niall Ferguson call their "holistic" approach to "Social Security reform, health-care reform, and tax reform." Their spending proposals -- which include a pernicious restructuring of Social Security benefits in favor of high earners and a goofy system of personalized health-insurance vouchers -- are hugely defective. But these half-baked schemes are mere window dressing for what they care about most: their radically unfair tax plan.

Boston University economist Kotlikoff is a longtime sales-tax advocate whose work includes a 1993 article on the topic for the libertarian Cato Institute. Scottish-born Ferguson currently teaches history at Harvard University and is a senior fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution. Despite their pedigrees, they do get one thing right: Our country needs much higher taxes to pay for public services.

Indeed, the authors imply that they want to boost federal revenues by almost half. That's quite ambitious (although given their health-insurance plan, it may not be enough). But the way they would achieve this massive tax increase is abominable.

"The federal fiscal system should be moderately progressive," they state as their first principle. By which they mean far less progressive that it is now.

To counter the well-known fact that sales taxes are inherently regressive, Kotlikoff and Ferguson brag that their proposed national sales tax would offer a universal rebate, designed to exempt everyone on their spending up to the poverty line. They fail to mention, however, that our current income tax doesn't tax families with children until they make more than twice the poverty level. So even with the rebates, replacing current federal taxes with a sales tax would add thousands of dollars a year to the taxes of all but the richest Americans. Those at the very top, on the other hand, would get hundreds of thousands of dollars each in annual tax cuts.

Beyond failing the test of fairness, the authors' fiscal arithmetic doesn't add up, either. They claim that at a 33-percent rate, their sales tax would produce revenues equal to 21 percent of the economy. (The existing federal taxes that they implicitly retain, including excise taxes, customs duties, and most of the worker side of the payroll tax, would bring their promised total up to 25 percent of the economy -- versus only 17 percent now.) This, they say, would be enough to replace personal income taxes, corporate income taxes, estate taxes, and the employer side of the payroll tax, plus leave enough to pay for universal health insurance.

But that's a pipe dream. To collect 21 percent of the economy in sales taxes would require a tax rate of about 60 percent -- assuming almost perfect compliance and a preposterously broad tax base that would include, for example, housing, education, and religious services. (Taxing health care wouldn't produce any net revenue because the federal government would be paying for it.)

In addition, state and local sales taxes probably would have to be double what they are now, as few if any states could run their corporate and personal income taxes without the federal government's help. So the total sales-tax rate would have to be close to 75 percent.

At which point, of course, cheating and tax avoidance would be rampant, as would lobbying for sales-tax exemptions. It's odd, for example, that Kotlikoff and Ferguson think it's plausible that the public would tolerate an extremely high-rate sales tax on home purchases when our current income tax actually subsidizes mortgage payments.

Kotlikoff and Ferguson maintain that their "new New Deal represents the best chance of the Democrats getting back into power." It's hard to believe that they really favor that goal. But even if they do, given how badly the national-sales-tax idea played for Republicans in the 2004 elections, their political advice is worse than their economics.

As for TNR, let's hope publishing this awful piece was only a momentary lapse.

Robert S. McIntyre is the director of Citizens for Tax Justice.

7 comments:

DavidFL10 said...

Here's a thought, Jim. Have you read the actual legislation yet?

The plain english summary is very easy to get through.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_bills

Jim Nichols said...

long time ago... will dig into that that up too!

Anonymous said...

"They fail to mention, however, that our current income tax doesn't tax families with children until they make more than twice the poverty level.

Federal income taxes on businesses increase retail prices by an average of 22%. The majority of the federal taxes we pay now are actually collected at the register as hidden embedded taxes rather than deducted from our gross wages.

The Fair Tax would eliminate this devious scheme and replace these hidden embedded taxes with a 23% consumption tax that everyone can see. Prices might rise by an average of 1% but, take home pay will increase by whatever percent you're currently paying in income and payroll taxes now. Probably more than 1%. If you're poor, living at or below the poverty level, the prebate will refund 100% of the tax to you. That would equate to a 22% drop in your cost of living.

"...even with the rebates, replacing current federal taxes with a sales tax would add thousands of dollars a year to the taxes of all but the richest Americans."

The current federal tax system, which all it's loopholes, leaves the rich practially untouched while, as I point out above, they pass their taxes on to consumers. Under the Fair Tax, the poor are completely untaxed, as I also point out above, while the rich will be forced to pay their fair share every time they buy something.

"To collect 21 percent of the economy in sales taxes would require a tax rate of about 60 percent --"

Bologna! Now look who's not doing the math. According to the World Economic Outlook Database (img.org), US nominal, per capita GDP in 2007 was $45,845.477 billion. 21% of that would be $9,627.55 billion. And according to Wikipedia page "United States federal budget, 2007", total federal receipts for fiscal year 2007 were $2,407 billion.

According to my math, 23% is probably too high but, I suppose Congress will need as much financial room as it can get once consumers start avoiding the tax because they don't approve of what Congress and President are is doing.

This whole article is nothing but hot air spewed by someone looking for any excuse to critisize any promising tax reform because he can't admit that he's part of the corruption and injustic of the current tax system.

DavidFL10 said...

Thanks for the help Zod. I had to try to make a living today and didn't have the time to attack that one.

We do have to remember to point out to skeptics that the 22% figure arrived at by Jorgensen and oft' quoted by FairTaxers included both sides of the payroll tax. We will not see a 22% drop in prices. More likely 11%-17% depending on the industry. We will see a lesser drop in imported goods.
Boortz has admitted this on numerous occasions but continues to use 22% rhetorically. I'm of the opinion that we can use lowball estimates of the price reduction we will see and still make our case.

Jim,
I agree with many of Vance's points, but not his conclusion. He by the way has a more recent piece out that clarifies but still concludes against the FairTax. It is here:
http://mises.org/story/2961
I won't ad his hominen or whatever. I won't attack him as a person.
I do get very frustrated that the FairTax "expert" most widely quoted by Democrats is someone they would never agree with on anything else, but seem to think his writings in this case are gospel. Bruce Bartlett is a blatant liar with an agenda and I have no use for him and dispute that he has any credibility on this or many other issues at all.
Before putting too much weight into his opinion on the FairTax, check out his opinion on other issues.
http://www.nationalreview.com/
nrof_bartlett/bartlett200407011515.asp

http://www.ncpa.org/oped/bartlett/mar2900.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/
BruceBartlett/2006/09/26/wages_of_stagnation

Another great source for your study is The FairTax Blog. It has probably been the site of the most honest arguments for and against the FairTax on the internet. I just remembered that googling Bartlett. Start here:
http://www.fairtaxblog.com/20080222/memo-to-bruce-bartlett-just-do-the-math/

I do apologize for taking out my frustration with Bartlett and how other progressives have heralded his anti-FairTax position on you. I will be more patient.

David

Jim Nichols said...

@davidfl10

No worries, thanks for the sources.

On Barlett the little I know of him was on his criticisms of the Bush Tax cut and their representation to the public which was pretty accurate although some of his refusal to come out on these issues before he did brings up questions.

I've also seen one or two op-eds from him where he argued a point I disagreed with yet admitted the failures and/or problems others would critique his position on.

On a side note I like that the fair tax focuses on consuption and increasing investment... still looking... still looking...

Jim

Jim Nichols said...

@davidfl10

I haven't forgot about you! I've been busy with getting with volunteers and candidates for a picnic we're hosting tomorrow. That and school is back in session and i'm up to my neck in Kant!

regards,
jim

DavidFL10 said...

I'm patient.
I came across this blog today:
http://urbannewsblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/fair-tax-code.html
It has nothing to do with the FairTax despite the title. I've considered posting there, what do you think?